A question for Mr Silver,what do you believe?

This is England,in England none can force you to believe.

In these other nations they can and do seek to force belief.

You are an impressionable young man,it is the curse of men to be so,we are also cursed with those who would take advantage.

I look forward to reading your ruminatons on this matter,a matter we do not yet imprison over.

After visiting Auschwitz I would endorse everything Joel Silver has stated. We should not forget also the Gypsies, mentally or physically disabled persons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, Soviet prisoners-of-war Social Democrats, Communists, partisans, trade unionists, Polish intelligentsia and the other "undesirables" who died there.

What about everyone else who died due to Bolsheviks seizing Russia?

Should we forget the bulk of the murdered?

Or are special interest group minorities so important today politically that we can do without remembering the overwhelming majority murdered last century were not of those self absorbed minorities.

Indeed,they were mostly murdered by them.

If they dont teach such simple truths in schools they abuse children for their own gratification.

Mr Ison... I cannot believe your ignorance... 'self absorbed minorities' indeed! Like David Irving you fail to grasp that the Holocaust was the result of the Nazi party adopting the final solution, it's sole purpose was to murder all European Jews. Besides, the very reason the Jewish culture became a minority was because of the holocaust!

Even the term holocaust means 'completely burn' - no other group was so completely burnt.

Matt.

The Holocaust, as you put it, is a result of Jews forgetting about the other minorities who were murdered in the camps in with other methods by the Nazis. The fact that is called the Holocaust (capitalised of course) and almost exclusively this word is used to describe Jewish deaths is simply breath taking.
Rarely is it mentioned that homosexuals,gypsies,
communists and the politically unwanted made up an enormous proportion of the dead.
The Jews need to stop being so self absorb and self pitying and remember that they were not the only ones who suffered during the war.

Amazing to see the people of Oxford allowing anti-semitism through the back door. Rarely, Bob, is it mentioned that Jews used to account for 10% of the population of the world in Roman times, and if 'Pogroms' against the Jews hadn't happened then there would be 200,000,000 Jews in the world today, instead of 13,000,000. I think that's a just cause for pity.

One more thing... Jehaovah's Witnesses were formed in 1931. By the Witnesses own admission about 2500-5000 died in camps and prisons in Nazi Germany... as opposed to 6,000,000 (known) Jews. If people are going to trivialize the proportion of Jews lost - at least get the numbers right first. Prejudice is ignorance!

Is the point being lost ? What is to debate ? Visit the place and see if you are still debating such pointless issues.

My brother came back from there with a school trip, I like to go and pay my respect, no one should forget the past, sure bad things have happened and still does, i cried at school when we studied this topic.

No one should forget, and be ignorant about it.

and yes others suffered too, but this story is about one of kids form Oxford and saw something his family of the past went through, don't be so disregardful to the lad.
Cause they should feel sad and so on, should they not? What some stupid rubbish some of you have posted, bloody hell its a story about a kid and his past, no need to go off topic.

Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and
Anti-Semitism .

I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don't dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters .

We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Ian Sternberg wrote:
Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don't dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Having come back from the west bank, dont even think about mentioning the Bravery of the Isaeli people, you are treading on very thin ice.Do not use this story in the same breath,I will leave it at that Sir.

I think it is neccessary to expose those who use taxation funds to indoctrinate children with Jewish fables.

To indoctrnate adults even.

Such a thing is of no benefit to the tax payer.

I do question the motives of those doing so and i believe an investigation into thi policy decision is warranted.

I found the article very interesting a read and has made me wonder whether I should visit Auschwitz also.

I would also like to agree that although the murder of so many civilian and military people in that Ghastly war was a terrible terrible thing, the Jews were the only race that faced complete and total annihilation. I think that does make their circumstance and the impact of that war to be so great.

I personally have admiration to the brave Jews who survived the Holocaust and went on to live in Israel.

Mr Ison, I have nothing but pity for you.

Poor old Steve is confused.

Where did he come by such strange beliefs?

It's not the study of history,more the naive exposure to evangelists.

Which is what the article is about,evangelising the nation to fight Jewish wars.

There is no benefit in those beliefs for us.

If Steve wishes to play the fool then by all means strut about like a Golem.

Just don't expect an applause.

Ian Sternberg wrote:
Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Not "Fascism"!!

IDEALISM!!!

The desire to change the world, impose new orders, build communities etc. etc.

The curse of the visionary and the slavish adherence of his followers.

It is THAT which should be tackled otherwise you are replacing one kind of insanity with another.

Mr Ison

In answer to your question:
From my grand-parents who survived the gas chambers (unlike their parents and some of their siblings).

I wish you well Mr Ison, may you one day see that hatred for Jews generates many lies. While you are mealy too eager to believe.

By the way a Golem would never have "strutted" although the fool comment would be quite accurate I think.

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Not "Fascism"!! IDEALISM!!! The desire to change the world, impose new orders, build communities etc. etc. The curse of the visionary and the slavish adherence of his followers. It is THAT which should be tackled otherwise you are replacing one kind of insanity with another.

Dear Alan ,

While I half-agree with Your idea that IDEALISM can be very dangerous if it is not combined with a robust Understanding of the limitations of Ideologies and the need to Respect Individuals & Their needs & aspirations
( And this Understanding primarily originates from the acceptance of a Spiritual G-D based Morality , in other words : Judeo-Christian Ethics )
I would disagree with Your asumption that IDEALISM is the cause of Totalitarianism .

Human Society has only advanced because Idealists have been prepared to stand up and be counted to fight for a better world . Human History has been propelled by People Who had the Courage to make a difference : The Trade Union Movement , The Suffragettes , Martin Luther King & the Civil Rights Movement , Solidarnosc etc .
Great Britain fought off Nazism because it had a burning belief in the Goodness of It's Cause .

The problems of Great Britain & the World are largely caused by the complete absense of Idealistic Values & Their replacement by cynicism and Apathy .

Extremism not Idealism is the real Enemy !!!

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Having come back from the west bank, dont even think about mentioning the Bravery of the Isaeli people, you are treading on very thin ice.Do not use this story in the same breath,I will leave it at that Sir.

Dear M.Ahmed ,

I was actually concerned that what I wrote ( basic Jewish Identity & the assertion of the Centrality Of Israel in Jewish Life ) would encourage postings like Yours . I had hoped that People would not post
Anti-Israel entries but would concentrate on Joel's Holocaust Education message .

It's a Free Society and I will say whatever I like - in this Country We don't go around telling People what to think nor do We use threatning language like - " Do not use this story in the same breath " - We leave it to the Readers to make Their Own minds up in the spirit of Free Enquiry .

I will reiterate My view that the Bravery The Israeli People & The Israel Defence Forces show in Their Struggle in the Front-Line against
Islamo-Fascism should be an example to all Democratic Nations .

As Ahmed is not a Jewish name then I don't appreciate being lectured to by You about my declaration of the Jewish Community's support for the State Of Israel & about Pride in Jewish Identity .

I will leave it at that Sir .

I was on the trip with Joel, and for the record, there was another Jew there called Cathy, only he is not a practising jew. But I'm glad Joel (a.k.a Joely Moley) is having his video published, it was a harrowing expersience for all, especially him.

Correction on my last post, HE is a PRACTISING Jew, SHE is NOT. I did NOT mean that Joel is not practicing.

Ian Sternberg wrote:

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Not \"Fascism\"!! IDEALISM!!! The desire to change the world, impose new orders, build communities etc. etc. The curse of the visionary and the slavish adherence of his followers. It is THAT which should be tackled otherwise you are replacing one kind of insanity with another.

Dear Alan , While I half-agree with Your idea that IDEALISM can be very dangerous if it is not combined with a robust Understanding of the limitations of Ideologies and the need to Respect Individuals & Their needs & aspirations ( And this Understanding primarily originates from the acceptance of a Spiritual G-D based Morality , in other words : Judeo-Christian Ethics ) I would disagree with Your asumption that IDEALISM is the cause of Totalitarianism . Human Society has only advanced because Idealists have been prepared to stand up and be counted to fight for a better world . Human History has been propelled by People Who had the Courage to make a difference : The Trade Union Movement , The Suffragettes , Martin Luther King & the Civil Rights Movement , Solidarnosc etc . Great Britain fought off Nazism because it had a burning belief in the Goodness of It\'s Cause . The problems of Great Britain & the World are largely caused by the complete absense of Idealistic Values & Their replacement by cynicism and Apathy . Extremism not Idealism is the real Enemy !!!

Agreed, so drop the "fascist" tag and target all forms of extremism rather than support one kind over another.

Bear in mind that a world will never be perfect until everybody agrees with everybody else. It is the coercion, propaganda and bullying to achieve that end that tends to drag idealists into the mire.

I am also using Idealism in the philosophical sense, opposing it to Empiricism. Hegelian philosophy preaches that history is an evolutionary progession where each new stage of world historical progress is determined by dialectical struggle. he influenced both Marx and Gobineau (Marxsim and Fascism) so I think my comments are still valid. Supporting Lenin/Stalin over Hitler/Franco is not the answer. Damning the bastards to hell altogether is the real way forward.

Any idealism that won't tolerate dissidence when it assumes power is worthless and a self contradiction.

Ian Sternberg wrote:

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Having come back from the west bank, dont even think about mentioning the Bravery of the Isaeli people, you are treading on very thin ice.Do not use this story in the same breath,I will leave it at that Sir.

Dear M.Ahmed , I was actually concerned that what I wrote ( basic Jewish Identity & the assertion of the Centrality Of Israel in Jewish Life ) would encourage postings like Yours . I had hoped that People would not post Anti-Israel entries but would concentrate on Joel\'s Holocaust Education message . It\'s a Free Society and I will say whatever I like - in this Country We don\'t go around telling People what to think nor do We use threatning language like - \" Do not use this story in the same breath \" - We leave it to the Readers to make Their Own minds up in the spirit of Free Enquiry . I will reiterate My view that the Bravery The Israeli People & The Israel Defence Forces show in Their Struggle in the Front-Line against Islamo-Fascism should be an example to all Democratic Nations . As Ahmed is not a Jewish name then I don\'t appreciate being lectured to by You about my declaration of the Jewish Community\'s support for the State Of Israel & about Pride in Jewish Identity . I will leave it at that Sir .

Defense force ?occupation force is a more accurate description of a religious sect that argue a cause with disproportinate force.I would in no way condone the Nazis for there actions, in the same way I would not condone the actions of the Jewish people sending there prophet to his death 2000 years ago.

i was on the trip too, it really was an emotional experience, well done to joel(y) at speaking out about it and making a video :)

mr ison: JUST SHUT UP!

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote:

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Having come back from the west bank, dont even think about mentioning the Bravery of the Isaeli people, you are treading on very thin ice.Do not use this story in the same breath,I will leave it at that Sir.

Dear M.Ahmed , I was actually concerned that what I wrote ( basic Jewish Identity & the assertion of the Centrality Of Israel in Jewish Life ) would encourage postings like Yours . I had hoped that People would not post Anti-Israel entries but would concentrate on Joel\'s Holocaust Education message . It\'s a Free Society and I will say whatever I like - in this Country We don\'t go around telling People what to think nor do We use threatning language like - \" Do not use this story in the same breath \" - We leave it to the Readers to make Their Own minds up in the spirit of Free Enquiry . I will reiterate My view that the Bravery The Israeli People & The Israel Defence Forces show in Their Struggle in the Front-Line against Islamo-Fascism should be an example to all Democratic Nations . As Ahmed is not a Jewish name then I don\'t appreciate being lectured to by You about my declaration of the Jewish Community\'s support for the State Of Israel & about Pride in Jewish Identity . I will leave it at that Sir .

Defense force ?occupation force is a more accurate description of a religious sect that argue a cause with disproportinate force.I would in no way condone the Nazis for there actions, in the same way I would not condone the actions of the Jewish people sending there prophet to his death 2000 years ago.

After the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I, Palestine is seized by the United Kingdom in 1917/1918 and the area becomes a British League of Nation Mandate of Palestine in 1923. In the years following World War I, jewish immigration steadily increases, as did violence between the jewish and Arab communities. Mounting British efforts to restrict this immigration are countered by international support for Jewish national aspirations following the near-extermination of European jewry by the German Nazis during World War II. This support leads to the 1947 UN partition plan, which divides Palestine into separate jewish and Arab states.Question who does Israel belong to,I will leave these thoughts with you !!!! Very well done Joel

Most of the above are missing the point, Joel is writing about his feelings as a Jewish boy because of his families connections to this atrocity. I am sure Joel is equally appalled by all the people killed at Auschwitz regardless of religion, gender, class etc

You are all missing the point

I know Joel, in the interview he said he wanted to not only because of the one million Jews that died but also because of the seven million others that died there

This article was written so he could share his experience, not for sympathy

Thankyou

Just so you know I meant 'he said he wanted to go not only...'
Thanks

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote:

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\\\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Not \\\"Fascism\\\"!! IDEALISM!!! The desire to change the world, impose new orders, build communities etc. etc. The curse of the visionary and the slavish adherence of his followers. It is THAT which should be tackled otherwise you are replacing one kind of insanity with another.

Dear Alan , While I half-agree with Your idea that IDEALISM can be very dangerous if it is not combined with a robust Understanding of the limitations of Ideologies and the need to Respect Individuals & Their needs & aspirations ( And this Understanding primarily originates from the acceptance of a Spiritual G-D based Morality , in other words : Judeo-Christian Ethics ) I would disagree with Your asumption that IDEALISM is the cause of Totalitarianism . Human Society has only advanced because Idealists have been prepared to stand up and be counted to fight for a better world . Human History has been propelled by People Who had the Courage to make a difference : The Trade Union Movement , The Suffragettes , Martin Luther King & the Civil Rights Movement , Solidarnosc etc . Great Britain fought off Nazism because it had a burning belief in the Goodness of It\\\'s Cause . The problems of Great Britain & the World are largely caused by the complete absense of Idealistic Values & Their replacement by cynicism and Apathy . Extremism not Idealism is the real Enemy !!!

Agreed, so drop the \"fascist\" tag and target all forms of extremism rather than support one kind over another. Bear in mind that a world will never be perfect until everybody agrees with everybody else. It is the coercion, propaganda and bullying to achieve that end that tends to drag idealists into the mire. I am also using Idealism in the philosophical sense, opposing it to Empiricism. Hegelian philosophy preaches that history is an evolutionary progession where each new stage of world historical progress is determined by dialectical struggle. he influenced both Marx and Gobineau (Marxsim and Fascism) so I think my comments are still valid. Supporting Lenin/Stalin over Hitler/Franco is not the answer. Damning the bastards to hell altogether is the real way forward. Any idealism that won\'t tolerate dissidence when it assumes power is worthless and a self contradiction.

Dear Alan ,

Yes - but I don't support one kind of extremism over another - in this case the tag
" fascist " was the correct one to use because it was Fascists/Nazis Who were responsible for The Holocaust .

Although Stalinism was a vile form of Tyranny ( and also a disgusting counterfeiting of real Democratic Socialism which has held back the development of that genuine Socialist Tradition for decades ) it is still not right to say that Stalinism was equally as bad as Fascism .
Fascism aimed at the total annihalation of groups that it determined were Racially Inferior - a Nazi victory would have led to to further mass murder on an absolutely Apocolyptic scale . We should also remember the Heroism of the Soviet People & The Red Army Who Sacrificed 30 Million lives to Smash the Nazis .

Stalin's policies fatally weakened the Spanish Revolution - which is why most of contemporary Socialists would have sided with the P.O.U.M
& The Anarchists - but again it was still vital for The Spanish Revolution to be defended against Franco Who murdered tens of thousands of Republicans and Who along with Hitler & Mussolini used the Civil War as a Dress-Rehearsal for World War 11 .

Of course , We Socialists are the People Who actually helped support The Working Class in Their Struggles against Their Stalinist Rulers
( The Hungarian Revolution , The Prague Spring , Solidarnosc etc . )

I have a good deal of sympathy with Your concerns that much of the Socialist remains under the influence of dangerous materialist ideologies but Socialists like Myself are trying to combat these tendencies towards Totalitarianism with activity like the Euston Manifesto . It has often been said that The British Labour Movement owes more to Methodism than it does to Marx and We are attempting to strengthen this type of approach as it is reflective of the Real Historical values of Our Socialist Tradition .









Movement .

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote:

M.Ahmed wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\\\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Having come back from the west bank, dont even think about mentioning the Bravery of the Isaeli people, you are treading on very thin ice.Do not use this story in the same breath,I will leave it at that Sir.

Dear M.Ahmed , I was actually concerned that what I wrote ( basic Jewish Identity & the assertion of the Centrality Of Israel in Jewish Life ) would encourage postings like Yours . I had hoped that People would not post Anti-Israel entries but would concentrate on Joel\\\'s Holocaust Education message . It\\\'s a Free Society and I will say whatever I like - in this Country We don\\\'t go around telling People what to think nor do We use threatning language like - \\\" Do not use this story in the same breath \\\" - We leave it to the Readers to make Their Own minds up in the spirit of Free Enquiry . I will reiterate My view that the Bravery The Israeli People & The Israel Defence Forces show in Their Struggle in the Front-Line against Islamo-Fascism should be an example to all Democratic Nations . As Ahmed is not a Jewish name then I don\\\'t appreciate being lectured to by You about my declaration of the Jewish Community\\\'s support for the State Of Israel & about Pride in Jewish Identity . I will leave it at that Sir .

Defense force ?occupation force is a more accurate description of a religious sect that argue a cause with disproportinate force.I would in no way condone the Nazis for there actions, in the same way I would not condone the actions of the Jewish people sending there prophet to his death 2000 years ago.

Dear M ,

It is a Defense Force because it protects Israeli Civilians from being murdered by Palestinian Terrorists . The I.D.F is not a wing of a religious sect it is a Peoples Army that conscripts Israeli Young People of all Religious & Political Opinions and Young People Who don't have any kind of Religious or Political opinions ( it also conscripts Boys from the Druze & Circassian Communities at the request of Their Community Leaders
+ large numbers of Bedouin Volunteers ,
& They all serve in the Army with great Bravery & Distinction )

I suggest that the Palestinian People & Leadership reject violence , truely accept Israel's right to exist as a Jewish,Zionist & democratic State , and get back to properly negotiating with the Israeli Government to form a Palestinian State . Israel & The Jewish People don't want to " Occupy " the Palestinians or rule over Their lives - We want You to have an Independent & viable Palestinian State because it is in Our best interests to live in peace with the Palestinians .

I can't believe that You mention the ridiculous slur that Jews were responsible for sending Jesus to His death . Jesus was executed by the Romans & Their collaborators - The Sadducces - No Jews can be held responsible for the actions of a tiny sect of Quislings Who put Their Own Aristocratic Priviliges before the Freedom of the Jewish People & Who were hated by the vast majority of Jews . it is a shame that this lie of Deicide which has been responsible for the deaths of countless thousands of Jews throughout history has been repeated once more .

Jewish Terrorists deleted the salent points about their murderous cult.

Mr Ison ,

You sad little man - get a life !!!

The whole of the Oxford Mail website is full of Your Pathetic Right-Wing Nonsense .

With reference to The Russian Revolution & 2oth Century history -What do You actually mean when You use the term " indeed they were mostly murdered by them "
when You talk about
" self absorbed minorities " ?

What do You actually mean when You use the phrase
" jewish fables "
when referring to
The Holocaust ?

Why don't You just come off the fence and have the decency to actually say what You mean about the Jewish Community instead of hiding behind vague terminology & euphanisms ?

Myself & a lot of other People must be beginning to wonder what Your real Political Affiliations & Ideology actually are .

me again. It was truly overwhelming to see the remainder of the atrocities committed at Auschwitz and i'm sure Joel wasn't just thinking about the Jews killed there, but about everyone. It's just that it scares to him to think of what happened to the people of his religion, and how proud it is to be a Jew, to remember and mourn things like the Holocaust.

Ian Sternberg wrote:

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote:

alan page wrote:

Ian Sternberg wrote: Well done to Joel for making the video to remind Us All of the Barbarity that Fascism is capable of inflicting on Mankind . We must all unite and fight to ensure that Never Again will Fascists ever be allowed to wage war on Humanity with Their Poison of Racism and Anti-Semitism . I think that it is important that Joel and the other young People don\\\\\\\'t dwell too much on the horrors of the Shoah -but that They are inspired by the Goodness of Those Who helped to rescue Jews and of the Heroism of the Jewish Partisans and Ghetto Fighters . We can also take enormous pride in the Re-Birth of Jewish life after the Holocaust , the ever increasing levels of Jewish Education and most importantly the Fantastic Achievements of The State Of Israel and the Bravery of The Israeli People .

Not \\\"Fascism\\\"!! IDEALISM!!! The desire to change the world, impose new orders, build communities etc. etc. The curse of the visionary and the slavish adherence of his followers. It is THAT which should be tackled otherwise you are replacing one kind of insanity with another.

Dear Alan , While I half-agree with Your idea that IDEALISM can be very dangerous if it is not combined with a robust Understanding of the limitations of Ideologies and the need to Respect Individuals & Their needs & aspirations ( And this Understanding primarily originates from the acceptance of a Spiritual G-D based Morality , in other words : Judeo-Christian Ethics ) I would disagree with Your asumption that IDEALISM is the cause of Totalitarianism . Human Society has only advanced because Idealists have been prepared to stand up and be counted to fight for a better world . Human History has been propelled by People Who had the Courage to make a difference : The Trade Union Movement , The Suffragettes , Martin Luther King & the Civil Rights Movement , Solidarnosc etc . Great Britain fought off Nazism because it had a burning belief in the Goodness of It\\\'s Cause . The problems of Great Britain & the World are largely caused by the complete absense of Idealistic Values & Their replacement by cynicism and Apathy . Extremism not Idealism is the real Enemy !!!

Agreed, so drop the \"fascist\" tag and target all forms of extremism rather than support one kind over another. Bear in mind that a world will never be perfect until everybody agrees with everybody else. It is the coercion, propaganda and bullying to achieve that end that tends to drag idealists into the mire. I am also using Idealism in the philosophical sense, opposing it to Empiricism. Hegelian philosophy preaches that history is an evolutionary progession where each new stage of world historical progress is determined by dialectical struggle. he influenced both Marx and Gobineau (Marxsim and Fascism) so I think my comments are still valid. Supporting Lenin/Stalin over Hitler/Franco is not the answer. Damning the bastards to hell altogether is the real way forward. Any idealism that won\'t tolerate dissidence when it assumes power is worthless and a self contradiction.

Dear Alan , Yes - but I don't support one kind of extremism over another - in this case the tag " fascist " was the correct one to use because it was Fascists/Nazis Who were responsible for The Holocaust . Although Stalinism was a vile form of Tyranny ( and also a disgusting counterfeiting of real Democratic Socialism which has held back the development of that genuine Socialist Tradition for decades ) it is still not right to say that Stalinism was equally as bad as Fascism . Fascism aimed at the total annihalation of groups that it determined were Racially Inferior - a Nazi victory would have led to to further mass murder on an absolutely Apocolyptic scale . We should also remember the Heroism of the Soviet People & The Red Army Who Sacrificed 30 Million lives to Smash the Nazis . Stalin's policies fatally weakened the Spanish Revolution - which is why most of contemporary Socialists would have sided with the P.O.U.M & The Anarchists - but again it was still vital for The Spanish Revolution to be defended against Franco Who murdered tens of thousands of Republicans and Who along with Hitler & Mussolini used the Civil War as a Dress-Rehearsal for World War 11 . Of course , We Socialists are the People Who actually helped support The Working Class in Their Struggles against Their Stalinist Rulers ( The Hungarian Revolution , The Prague Spring , Solidarnosc etc . ) I have a good deal of sympathy with Your concerns that much of the Socialist remains under the influence of dangerous materialist ideologies but Socialists like Myself are trying to combat these tendencies towards Totalitarianism with activity like the Euston Manifesto . It has often been said that The British Labour Movement owes more to Methodism than it does to Marx and We are attempting to strengthen this type of approach as it is reflective of the Real Historical values of Our Socialist Tradition . Movement .

Yep, the good old bourgeois left spring into action again and release a manifesto.

Supermarket clerks are stunned by the document. Derek Hounslow (shelf stacker) said "Yeah, quite a stunna. I particularly like the way it attempts to combine a neo-Foucaldian anti-authoritarianis
m with a form of Pansocratic neo-Trotskyian symbiosis."

Daisy Day (checkout)said:" I particularly liked the retelling of the Spanish Civil War part. It threw a whole new light on the reason I only earn £6 an hour whilst the authors earn over £20,000 per annum and still strike for more."


Socialists,Working Class defenders?

Don't make me laugh.

Your a complete irrelevance.

You don't do anything apart from posture and pose. You know nothing about the history of working class movements in this country or the fact that bourgeois radicals have always been held in scorn by them.

Come back to me when you have read Macaulay's speeches, familiarised yourself with Edward Carpenter and Henry Mayhew.

When you have looked more closely at what Socialists like Robert Owen were really about and the social circumstances he was rebelling against.

Come back to me when you stop believing that self serving bourgeois revolutionaries like Lenin and his entourage are of any use except as testimonies to self centred power trippers.

Go and read Tocqueville and Carlye on the futility of such revolutions and the reasons why such enterprises are doomed to fail.

Then perhaps go and live on a council estate and pit your idealism against the everyday reality you will find there. And perhaps LISTEN for a change, to voices other than Marx!!